FINAL NOTE ON DUNETZ/ YIDWITHLID & A WORD ABOUT CYBERPATHS

An update and final note on Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid for this rerun of his expose. This is a great example of what these predators do when they catch on that they've been exposed.


Do you think they - Apologize? Get Help? Admit What They've Done? Make Amends to the Victim(s)? No! As we have said, cyberpaths are narcissists or sociopaths at their core and those persons never ever apologize. Or if they do they will close the "I'm Sorry" with "but you..."

Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YidwithLid went into a psychopathic rage when he found out his story was here. So he decided to go after the person he thinks is posting it - his Target #1. (Look around, Mr. Dunetz - you aren't the only person exposed on this site!)

Reality: Target #2 first contacted us and from there EOPC contacted Target #1. Target #1 told her story to us a few months out of a treatment program for severe PTSD caused by her relationship with Jeff Dunetz/ Yidwithlid /GRIDNEY - and her counselors told her "TELL."

EOPC also warned her what this predator might do. But posting it herself here? She did not. Dunetz/ Yidwithlid thinks she controls the internet, it seems! All of them blame their targets or other victims on this site. ALL OF THEM!

This expose was the second one to come with law enforcement verification (the first was "Ed" Charles Hicks). Typically, Jeff Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID is now telling people it's "all made up" and to top that off - he thinks Target #1 is us and is telling OTHERS that she is EOPC!

MR. Dunetz- if you are reading this - there are three (3) people that run this site and neither your Target #1 or Target #2 is one of them. Also, we get an affidavit from everyone who tells us their story that this is the truth and would hold up in a court of law. Everyone.

Mr. Dunetz, you are the one keeping this story alive by having a tantrum every time you see something. This the third time we have re-run it. Other sites have picked it up and our policy is - we refuse to remove unless there's legal confirmation. We were asked to remove your story in March 2007 by Target #1. We declined when those who run this site found out what you were up to; attacking and threatening your victims. More than one person confirmed this story as did law enforcement for us in 2004. And we don't negotiate with terrorists.

If you would like to write a genuine apology, acknowledging ALL your actions and why you coerced these vulnerable persons - we would be more than happy to post it for you. You must have back up and be willing to sign a release that YOU will take full responsibility for what is posted and its veracity. Your victims had no problem doing that.

Initially Yidwithlid posted his version of events on his blog and later removed it.

His target answered Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's version of events and says she made efforts to everything about him taken down. Most sites? Simply will not without a court document and even then some won't. On the site she details her efforts to get postings of him on other sites that used his real name taken down, even though Target #1 wasn't the one who put them there, and how futile it was.

Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID sees the actions of all others against him as the fault of only Target #1. ha ha ha

As to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY's version, upon reading it, we found it did not make a lot of sense, it was very watered down, confusing and had a lot of gaps in it covered by statements of "love" for his wife and what a good person he is. (example: Dunetz left out his lunch hour hooker habit and porn addiction which started years before he even looked up Target #1. Nor does he mention Target #2; perhaps they are still involved?)

Worse -- his version had astoundingly icy statements in it like "I stopped cybering with her and started cybering with someone else." Boom, just like that. No explanation -- just talking about his victims like objects.

Considering the tremendous devastation he visited on Target #1 and her family, he's lucky -- because he destroyed this woman's life and thought nothing of her but sex. And thought the same of her friend, Target #2 - who is also a real person not a thing. His own statements reveal his severe pathology.

Dunetz's defense was stock phrases like "hell hath no fury" or "the rest is history". The 'woman scorned' nonsense is a time-worn defense that even the legal system knows is bull these days. Without fail, every single Cyberpath who has been exposed here and subsequently threatens us - use this same defense in addition to calling their Targets crazy, stalkers, liars and accusing them of slander & defamation. It is so predictable it gets monotonous.

After publishing this blog for as many years as we have now - an accusation by a Cyberpath that their Target is a 'nutjob' is, to us, a confirmation to EOPC that the Cyberpath is lying and projecting and that the Targets have told us the truth.

We have contacted Target #1 and told her that she has a good libel case against Jeff Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and that he is so fixated on blaming her for everything that went wrong in his life. (he accuses Target #1 of: 'hurting his wife' by telling her the truth and the latest: 'driving his mother to a heart attack' - which Target #1 denies even knowing what he's referring to on her site and provides proofs to that effect. He even tells people it's HER fault he's unemployed - NOT that HE used hookers, posted on hooker rating boards and used phone & internet sex sites) so please use caution as he seems to be a loose canon.

His attack, like all of them, against someone he drove to the brink - is typical of the misogyny or misandry of Cyberpaths - done simultaneously as they swear they love their partners/ spouses.

(Cyberpaths paint the wife/husband/partner as ALL GOOD and the victims who dare to tell the truth as ALL BAD by comparing them. This is paramoralizing nonsense; typical of the black & white thinking of a pathological person. The partners AND the victims are probably the ALL GOOD - it is the Cyberpath who is ALL BAD.)

As with all Cyberpaths - their image is everything. They hurt their victims as if they were nothing and they use people like objects. So readers, look below at what the rage of one Cyberpath does - and then see for yourself if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's words are the words of a rational, reasonable human being.



OTHER CYBERPATHS - SAME PATTERN
Mike Campbell went to court with one of his victims trying to shut her up. He also assumed that she is one who posted about him all over the web. Wrong.

We heard from three (3) other of his victims (who did not want their emails published because they are scared of Mr. Campbell or their families) confirming the sort of person he is and his predatory tactics.

Supposedly Campbell's tried to control the whole internet to stop the truth about him being out. Just like Dunetz/ Yidwithlid - Campbell is blaming one person for posting him everywhere. The truth is that our stories often get picked up by other sites. Also, other victims will hide behind the story of a victim who is brave enough to come forward - and then post the story themselves.

Why do these Cyberpaths pick on that one person? Probably because they are the most truthful. Remember our posts about who Cyberpaths' target? The best and brightest among us. Predators usually pick the most moral, compassionate and truthful person to smear because 'mud sticks best to a clean spot.'

"Ed" Charles Hicks (aka Charles Greene) is back online on various dating sites, writing numerous women with a system so he can keep them all straight. Rumor has it he's writing a book to tell his truth - i.e.: that his last two wives set him up just to get on T.V. and ruin his life. Not a word about the thousands of dollars he stole from them, the ruined lives or his year in jail. Not a word that all the facts about him were independently verified by the Assistant D.A. in Virginia. Remember: these predators CREATE THEIR ONE VERSION OF REALITY AND LIVE THERE!

And Mr. Hicks is currently a known felon who spent time in jail. So EOPC wishes Mr. Hicks good luck finding a publisher - maybe O.J. can give him some advice there if they end up in jail together.

BRAD DORSKY, STEVEN LANGLEY GUY & KEITH CLIVE have all come here multiple times, surfing only their stories and lashing out at us and usually the person they "think" has exposed them.

PHIL HABERMAN dragged his victim to court - of course wrong state, wrong venue - and isn't getting what he wants. In fact - Phil's looking crazier all the time.

If only they'd put that energy towards getting long term psychological help.

We have had Cyberpaths write us as their "alleged other victims" or their "lawyer" (btw - all the same IP) demanding & threatening us to remove them. Not asking, not providing us with anything other than their rageful demands.

We hold everyone to the same standard. YOUR WORDS ARE NOT PROOF. We must have verification and you must sign an affidavit that if you are lying you can be prosecuted for perjury and holding EOPC harmless. (fyi - we do not want Social Insurance/ Security numbers or credit card information!)

We have yet to remove anyone permanently with one except - at the request of a deeply harmed victim who was threatened with serious bodily harm by her Cyberpath. We also pass all threats to appropriate law enforcement.

We agree with AA and other recovery organizations that FULL DISCLOSURE can be very helpful in healing from the trauma and emotional rape caused by these Narcissistic, Sociopathic predators.

We have had Cyberpaths or their buddies try to join our mail list support group. That won't be happening. Sometimes we are lucky enough to have some help on those occasions.

We are constantly surprised, but not shocked, at the anger & rage these Cyberpaths have at being exposed! It is not an anger management problem. Narcissistic & sociopathic types do no have a problem with their anger - they have a problem with their victims being angry. Their victims are simply objects to them so "how dare they" feel pain, become ill, attempt suicide, have PTSD, complain or expose them. That's how sick and soul-less Cyberpaths are.

Cyberpaths will say "but they did it too!" (or "she's a cheater, too!!" or "she KNEW it was wrong") Oh, Really?

• Were they aware you were using & grooming them, slowly brainwashing and telling them you had feelings for/ or were 'in love with' them?


• Were they aware that you didn't care one bit about them other than what kicks you could get from them?


• Did your victims know you had other prey on the hook, or were a sex addict, or a bigamist, or a fraud?


• Did they know when you said "I care about you" or "I love you" you were lying?

In Mr. Dunetz's case - we ask him: Did your victims know you'd been seeing hookers on your lunch hours since 2000? Spending money on online porn and cybering with professional cyber-whores? Spending money on phone sex? Did they know? Or did you make them think they were the ONE AND ONLY? and you'd NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE?

You know the answer to that, Sir. So you also know where to put your blame-shifting of "they were married and knew what they were getting into" and "it takes two to tango" baloney.

If so, they DID NOT 'do it too.' They are human beings capable of something you are not - honest feelings. And they have every right to their hurt, anger and need to have some sort of closure.

But don't expect the Cyberpath to feel shame, sorrow or remorse. Ever.

Shame on any Cyberpath who attacks their victims! Talking, telling the truth and being kind would get you a lot farther than raging against victimized people.

HERE'S SOME EMAIL WE GOT FROM Duntez/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid IN RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST FOR HIM TO REMOVE SOME OF THE POSTS HE LIFTED IN FULL, GRAPHICS INCLUDED, FROM EOPC AND PLACED HERE
(he's since taken them down with zero admission that he did something wrong or an apology at his grave mistake!):



EOPC'S INITIAL EMAIL (SENT Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID & TO BLOGGER) -
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OUR POST ALONG WITH OUR COMMENTS & GRAPHICS WERE TAKEN WHICH CONSTITUTES COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT:

This is to advise you that you are using copyrighted and protected material on your website/blog. Your illegal, unauthorized use of http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2006/03/j-open-mouth-insert-keyboard.html article at your site: A STUMBLING TCHATZKAH -- is originally from our blog called EXPOSING ONLINE PREDATORS & CYBERPATHS . This is original content and we are the author and copyright holder to the chat.

The IPs we have for your site are: 69.112.162.87 and 69.112.161.215

On the sidebar of our main site we give any exposed cyberpath the right to rebuttal along with the same burden of hard proof, along with a signed notarized statement that what they are saying is the truth along with copies of any pertinent documentation.

We also have our copyright/ usage rules there . Use of copyright protected material without permission is illegal under copyright laws.

Please take the following action immediately:

Remove the plagiarized material immediately.

We expect you to do so now within 24 hours as per prior notification.

Thank you for your immediate action on this matter.

Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths

IC3.gov -- Complaint Id: I0706271709542032

Filed with ChillingEffects.org

(we also filed a DMCA Complaint)

Dunetz /GRIDNEY'S BIZARRE RESPONSES TO OUR CC OF THE ABOVE TO HIM:
from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"
to cyberpaths@gmail.com
date Jun 24, 2007 5:04 PM
subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com

dear cyberpaths
I published it for educational purposes also. It teaches people how one overzealous psycopahth can take slander from a sick women and post them on a website without knowin what the truth is. Or how one sick individtual can do her best to drive my mom to a heart attack.

You are a sick individual and so is your friend [Target #1]. Dont be surprised I circulate it even more, If She is determined to keep this up. I will make sure the world will know what a mom of two spends her time doing ..instead of taking car of her children.
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from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"
to cyberpaths@gmail.com
date Jun 25, 2007 6:35 PM
subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com

you got my response yesterday...If you dont stop with this nonsense I will add stumbling tchatkes to every blog aggrigator I can find. Your choice [Target #1's name]
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from "Yidwithlid@XXX.com"
to cyberpaths@gmail.com
cc support@blogger.com
date Jun 27, 2007 7:19 PM
subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com

but [Target #1's name] if I wrote the chat I am the copywrite holder...and if I didnt then take it down and I will
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from "Yidwithlid@XX.com"
to cyberpaths@gmail.com
date Jun 28, 2007 6:49 PM
subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com

hope you are enjoying the convention in eurpe [Target #1]
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from "yidwithlid@XX.com" hide details Jun 29
to cyberpaths@gmail.com
date Jun 29, 2007 3:12 PM
subject Re: http://stumblingtchatzkahs.blogspot.com

Hey [Target #1's name]...haven't you gone to the site? I left you a present..You enjoying the pacific northwest?
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(didn't he just accuse her of being in Europe the day before? Is he on medication or what?)

As stated, NOTE that Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID addresses EOPC as if we are Target #1. We still can't figure out these emails but he did verify for us that he is probably a pathological man, a textbook-predictable Narcissist and a Cyberpath. (He has even gone so far as to tell some of our detractors we are his Target #1)

"The [exposed Cyberpath] on the other hand, cannot rest until they have blotted out a vaguely experienced [target] who dared to oppose them or [expose them], to disagree with them or to outshine them. [The Cyberpath] can never find rest because they can NEVER FULLY wipe out the evidence that has contradicted their conviction they are unique and perfect. This archaic rage goes on and on and on." - Dr. Ernest Wolf

Are Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID and predators like him sociopaths? We aren't doctors. And malignant narcissists & sociopaths rarely present themselves to psychiatrists and tell the truth - because they make the truth up as they go along. So, let's look at Dr. Stout's checklist in THE SOCIOPATH NEXT DOOR with regards to Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YidwithLid
(use this checklist on YOURS!)

In her book, Stout also describes other techniques that shameless sociopaths use to keep the rest of us in line. They are:

• Charm (all of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's targets found him charming and sweet)


• Risk-taking, and convincing others to do it with them (despite Sammy Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/YIDWITHLID's later assertions that his targets were just as guilty as him - he did convince and 'sell' them on an affair with him. Target #2 says he even sent her an article about how affairs help people to further his agenda)


• Recognizing a person who is decent and trusting — the perfect target (both of Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's targets were basically decent, trusting people.)


• Sexual seduction (see the expose - he initiated & furthered ALL sexual involvement)


• Crocodile tears — especially when sociopaths are about to be confronted (see GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID's lame 'apology' to his targets. And if Dunetz/ GRIDNEY/ YIDWITHLID wants to write a real apology - we would be happy to publish it for him at any time; as we would for any of our exposed cyberpaths) We doubt he will even read this - it would interfere with his 'reality'


• Righteous indignation — Plan B when sociopaths are about to be confronted. Probably the one more 'decent and trusting' of all the targets - they are usually the ones who get smeared the worst. (Other examples: Ed Hicks' last wives #6 & #7.)


• Exploiting social and professional roles (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID has gone back to his publishers (under a new identity - Sammy Benoit), family, clergyman, job and 'friends' to continue to exploit his religious/family-man image as a platform for smearing his victims and elevating himself. He has never fulled owned or admitted the depth of his depravity or the devastation he purposedly caused innocent people. He has, as far as we know, continued to lie to everyone - including himself - who will actually listen to him.
  


• Gaslighting — making victims doubt their own perceptions (Dunetz/ YIDWITHLID continues to blame his victims for their being hurt & upset for what he did to them! Insists they 'knew what they were getting into'; or it was consensual; and/or they are harassing him by standing up for themselves and telling the truth. Another was blaming his victims for 'turning him on' and 'making' him want the affairs! Wonder if using his money to pay for expensive prostitutes turned him on too?)

1. IT IS EOPC'S FIRM BELIEF THAT CYBERPATHS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
   

READ BELOW AND SEE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THESE EXPLOITATIVE PREDATORS & OUR KUDOS TO ALL OUR PAST VICTIMS WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD TO LET OTHERS KNOW - THEY ARE NOT ALONE IN THEIR GRIEF & PAIN.

AS YOU READ THE FOLLOWING - THINK OF THE PREDATORS WE HAVE EXPOSED IN THE LAST 4 YEARS - DO THEY FIT THE PATTERN? WE SAY YES.
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THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY
By Caroline Konrad

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! :

Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. Don't be ashamed. Tell.

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

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