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Wednesday, June 20, 2007

Dunetz/ YidwithLid's TANGLED (spun!) TIMELINE

Let's review the timeline here - because DUNETZ/ Yidwithlid (like many Cyberpaths, he changes his nicknames when he needs to 'hide'!) really messed up big time with all his online playing and sexual predation.....


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1. DUNETZ/ Yidwithlid gets in touch with Target #1 (Target #1 has been severely abused her whole life and is now disabled, trapped in a very abusive living situation and dangerously depressed which makes her a prime target)

DUNETZ/ Yidwithlid toys with her for 2 years telling her:


  • he "can't control" himself around her:

  • makes excuses not to see her for just lunch or a "HI";

  • blames her for his endless sexual come-ons to her;

  • tells her she's the "one that got away";

  • emotionally "bombs" her to think they have a 'special bond' & one-of-kind relationship;

  • SWEARS he's not toying with her or using her;

  • and refuses to answer her direct questions....
Got the picture? (They all do this readers - it's called PSYCHOPATHIC SEDUCTION)

2. Target #1 is manipulated by DUNETZ/ Yidwithlid to take ALL responsibility for the online-affair so when her ex-husband found out - she took physical & verbal abuse for Yidwithlid while he ran away from her!! And Target #1 excused it when Yidwithlid came back (BTW, Yidwithlid was upset that she was legally divorcing because of this and kept pushing her to go back to her abusive ex-husband or find a new real-life boyfriend!)

3. A few times Target #1 has tried to end it with Dunetz/ Yidwithlid but is hoovered back in, thinking somehow she can help Yidwithlid and of course, Yidwithlid encourages her to think this. She refused to have sex with him which just made him push even harder.

Yidwithlid alternates between degrading, criticizing Target #1 and causing her deep psychological pain & becoming trauma-bonded to him; to smothering her with affection and playing on her compassion. Despite the cache records showing Target #1 told him repeatedly her illnesses had caused her to gain weight and that she was no longer attractive, Dunetz/ Yidwithlid insisted he was "not interested in her looks or physical attributes" but in HER. (LOL! These Cyberpaths all say the same B.S. They are into objectification and NOTHING ELSE.)

All in all, Target #1 is riding the cyberpath rollercoaster like most victims - confused, muddled and not knowing which end is up. (F.O.G. = Fear, Obligation, Guilt)

4. Target #1 has been helping Dunetz/ Yidwithlid by editing and cleaning up some of his articles. There is a very unclear relationship here. Friends? more than friend? boundary violations galore and mucho mindf*cking on the part of YidwithLid - like most cyberpath seducers.

When Target #1 attempts boundaries or clarification, gridney/ YidwithLid punishes her by not speaking to her for a while. When Target #1 feels she needs some space because gridney/ Yidwithlid is pushing her away or being inappropriate - she blocks him - and he comes back and REELS HER BACK IN!

SEND MIXED SIGNALS
Once people are aware of your presence, and perhaps vaguely intrigued, you need to stir their interest before it settles on someone else. What is obvious and striking may attract their attention at first, but that attention is often short-lived; in the long run, ambiguity is much more potent. Most of us are much too obvious-instead, be hard to figure out.

Send mixed signals: both tough and tender, both spiritual and earthy, both innocent and cunning. A mix of qualities suggests depth, which fascinates even as it confuses. An elusive, enigmatic aura will make people want to know more, drawing them into your circle. Create such a power by hinting at something contradictory within you. - R. Greene -- The Art of Seduction

5. Target #1 introduces gridney/ YidwithLid to her friend FoT1. FoT1 is young and gridney/ YidwithLid tries to move in on her sexually too. FoT1 doesn't reveal this to Target #1 until later - because she wasn't sure if gridney/ YidwithLid was just kidding or not at the time.

Later we find - gridney/ YidwithLid is never kidding when it comes to a sexual target. And every women is a potential sexual target for him! Again, gridney/ YidwithLid violates ALL boundaries.

6. Twenty months into Target #1s 'psychological rollercoaster ride' with gridney/ YidwithLid - she introduces him to her new friend Target #2 and asks her to help with getting an article of gridney/ YidwithLid's placed.

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gridney/ YidwithLid emails and then IMs Target #2 to thank her (though he now tries to say SHE wrote him; which is another typically pathological opposite-lie) wastes NO time in initiating an online affair with Target #2, cybersex and love bombing. (remember he'd sworn at the beginning - he'd "never done this before" - hear us laughing? Maybe not with an innocent woman but he'd cybered with a load of paid pros! A review of her cache had shown Target #1 HAD never done that with anyone else. She was not lying.)

gridney/ YidwithLid tells Target #2 he loves her and her only 3 weeks into it, makes plans to rendezvous with her on his employer's dime and that he no longer loves his wife and hasn't loved his wife in a long time. (remember he'd told Target #1 he was 'not demonstrative' and had a 'hard time expressing his feelings'? Seems gridney/ YidwithLid has no problems now! - LOL)

gridney/ YidwithLid
also minimizes"Target #1" as just an 'old friend only' and portrays Target #1 as 'having a thing for', 'obsessed and fixated' on and 'pining away for' him (gridney/ YidwithLid) and has for years. (gridney/ Yidwithlid neglects to mention he looked up Target #1 - says it was the opposite -- AGAIN -- and that she's been obsessed with him for years. A complete lie) gridney/ YidwithLid says that he feels NOTHING for Target #1 and is only humoring her because he 'feels sorry' for Target #1.

gridney/ YidwithLid
makes some very callous comments about Target #1 and basically makes sure that Target #1 and Target #2 DO NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER.

One of his 'reasons'? gridney/ Yidwithlid tells Target #2 that Target #1 will 'ruin their happiness' with her 'jealousy'. (LOL!!
gridney/ YidwithLid really takes the cake for self-involved B.S. here)

7. Target #2 comes from a background of sexual, emotional & physical abuse (again, prime target - we bet most of gridney/ YidwithLid's girlfriends and past conquests as well as his wife, ALL come from abusive relationships, families - etc.

Cyberpaths LOVE to rush in and make themselves seem very galant with their Targets - when actually it is just a case of PREDATORS HUNT THE WOUNDED), as well as being a cover for their perversions.

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Target #2 falls for everything gridney/ YidwithLid says, emails Target #1 once to ask about him and Target #1 assures her gridney/ YidwithLids 'a wonderful person' ( Target #2 told us gridney/ YidwithLid used Target #1 as his calling card! This is triangulation - cyberpaths LOVE this one).

APPEAR TO BE AN OBJECT OF DESIRE- CREATE TRIANGLES
Few are drawn to the person whom others avoid or neglect; people gather around those who have already attracted interest. We want what other people want. To draw your victims closer and make them hungry to possess you, you must create an aura of desirability - of being wanted and courted by many. It will become a point of vanity for them to be the preferred object of your attention, to win you away from a crowd of admirers.

Manufacture the illusion of popularity by surrounding yourself with members of the opposite sex-friends, former lovers, present suitors. Create triangles that stimulate rivalry and raise your value. Build a reputation that precedes you: if many have succumbed to your charms, there must be a reason. - R. Greene -- "The Art of Seduction"


With Target #1s innocent assurance about gridney/ YidwithLid, Target #2 starts making plans with him to meet gridney/ YidwithLid (on his employer's dime!) and start an affair.

8. gridney/ YidwithLid has been very cryptic all along. gridney/ YidwithLid habitually does things like:


  • talk for hours, in lurid detail about the sexual activities he had with his ex-fiance to Target #1,

  • tells Target #1and later Target #2, about his dismal marital relations, when, how and what, in great detail - painting himself as the long-suffering husband. (wait, didn't he say his wife was "cold" and "disappointing"?) Again, terrible boundaries.

  • gridney/ YidwithLid also says cryptic things to Target #2. He explains to everyone that it's because of his ADHD. (ADHD has been connected to Adult Sociopathy)

USE THE DEMONIC POWER OF WORDS TO SOW CONFUSION
It is hard to make people listen; they are consumed with their own thoughts and desires, and have little time for yours. The trick to making them listen is to say what they want to hear, to fill their ears with whatever is pleasant to them. This is the essence of seductive language. Inflame people's emotions with loaded phrases, flatter them, comfort their insecurities, envelop them in fantasies, sweet words, and promises, and not only will they listen to you, they will lose their will to resist you. Keep your language vague, letting them read into it what they want. Use writing to stir up fantasies and to create an idealized portrait of yourself.
- R. Greene -- "The Art of Seduction"


9. Target #1 innocently sends a copy of an article she found interesting to both gridney/ YidwithLid and Target #2... not realizing they even know each other, are involved and are planning an affair!

10. Target #2 becomes suspicious and asks gridney/ YidwithLid if he's playing Target #1 and her! He vehemently denies it and continues to paint Target #1 as a pathetic loser (all the while STILL playing with Target #1s heart & mind)... and never gives Target #1 a hint he even KNOWS Target #2.

Target #2 finally gets fed up with the vague answers and cryptic comments she gets from gridney/ YidwithLid -- one of which is that Target #1 "doesn't want Target #2 and he to be friends." (Target #1 didn't even know they KNEW EACH OTHER!)

11. Target #2 finally contacts Target #1 - they spend over 36 hours either online or on the phone dissecting what is going on. For a few days, Target #2 doesn't know what to believe.

12. Target #1 can't bring herself to speak to gridney/ YidwithLid (who is calling and messaging her frantically to please speak with him - a switch from someone who left her dangling for days or weeks at a time).

Target #1 tells Target #2 to please go be with gridney/ YidwithLid - since she now has confirmation finally that he isn't into her. Target #1 was so brainwashed she simply "wants gridney/ Yidwithlid to be happy."

By now, Target #1 is either too faint, vomiting or attempting to hold it together for her children - she can barely talk on the phone let alone stand up - and she also told us she didn't sleep for days.


13. Target #2, Target #1 and FOT1 all start sharing communications they are getting from or got from gridney/ YidwithLid. Target #1 also is reminded gridney/ Yidwithlid tried to come on to her friend Kristen online early in their relationship. Kristen confirms he did this and she blocked him!

gridney/ YidwithLid is frantically adjusting his lies as he goes along, twisting, spinning, minimizing and bending time -- searching for a "story" that will work!

gridney/ YidwithLid, in one chat we received, told Target #2 he 'fell out of love' (how do you do THAT?? and initially he told her he NEVER LOVED Target #1... so which was it?) with Target #1 in January 2004 and this was BEFORE he met Target #2. (This is an outright lie and pathologically typical attempt to rewrite history -- NO - It was DURING.... there was NO SEPARATION BY TIME - no matter how much gridney/ YidwithLid says it - he can't change REALITY)

gridney/ YidwithLid revises his 'tale' to Target #2 and says that he 'fell out of love' with Target #1 because she & FOT1 were 'taunting him sexually.' (the chat he referenced as 'taunting' didn't happen until LATE February 2004 according to archival records - just a couple weeks before he was CAUGHT, not mid-January as he tried to claim. Again even though he SAYS they were "separated by time" there was NO SEPARATION and LOADS of OVERLAP. Sammy Benoit is just a sexual predator.)

gridney/ YidwithLid COMPLETELY leaves out he initiated & had cybersex with Target #1 just 2 weeks earlier - in mid-February, WHILE involved with Target #2. And that he was still tossing sexual innuedo at Target #1 every time he felt like it. Again, there was NO separation by time between his Targets. Only large overlap.

(Predators LOVE to try to get people to believe their "truth" even when they bend time and change dates from person to person. We know of narcissists & sociopaths that say in COURTS OF LAW and UNDER OATH - certain things NEVER HAPPENED or are is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. This is why they are so FRANTIC that Targets don't talk to each other and to keep their victims separate from each other! And they become enraged when people don't believe them!) gridney/ YidwithLid's very compartmentalized online victimizing & brainwashing is catching up with him - and he is freaking out and getting very enraged that his Targets are all talking and he's lost control.

gridney/ YidwithLid
is scrambling to get a hold of Target #1 - who is so deeply traumatized she can't even speak to him; while at the same time making Target #1 out to be a 'scorned woman and a liar' to Target #2. (Classic predatory move!!)

14. FOT1 chats with gridney/ YidwithLid who continues to lie and puts his 'keyboard' in his mouth with inconsistencies, time fudging and lies.

FOT1 shares this with her friend, Target #1 as well as Target #2 - both of whom are having surreal moments about gridney/ YidwithLid's excuses and explanations.

They are charismatic, ostensibly attractive personalities, likely to be widely admired, but with a naturally manipulative nature.

They can completely conceal their true selves.
- Dr. Mike Fox on "The Emotional Rapist"

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To sum up:
gridney/ YidwithLid finds Target #1 - a girl from his past - and lures her in.

From Day One he was using her with no intention of anything other than playing with this trusting, deeply abused woman.


gridney/ YidwithLid uses the Cyberpathic techniques to seduce and entrap her in his online web of lies for 2 years/

gridney/ YidwithLid tries the SAME to Target #1s friends - FOT1, Kristen and Target #2

gridney/ YidwithLid uses Target #1's friends and her good words about him to try to springboard him into relationships with them: (i.e. "ask Target #1, she will tell you - I am a good guy")

Target #2 (Target #1's friend) innocently falls for gridney/ YidwithLid's seductive brainwashing too.

gridney/ YidwithLid smears Target #1 to Target #2 -- and eventually anyone who will listen to him and ONLY him.

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gridney/ YidwithLid paints himself as a victim of his cold wife and the object of Target #1s supposed obsessions (which gridney/ YidwithLid actually initiated, fed and encouraged)

Target #2 and Target #1 find out about each other and give each other the unvarnished truth.

gridney/ YidwithLid continues to try to spin, lie, rewrite history, blame shift and fudge things - without success this time and goes into a rage threatening Target #1 (later he posts hateful things about her all over the net, including a hate site; because he assumes she is the only one telling the truth about him... wrong!)

Target #1 sends 3 packages to gridney/ YidwithLid's wife with everything she knows and gives her hard copies along with a heartfelt apology and her contact information. gridney/ YidwithLid convinces wife Target #1 is a liar and it was all made-up or planted. Target #1 even sends her contact information to the wife and offers any help she can including helping find a counselor for his sex & porn addiction!

Target #2 tells gridney/ YidwithLid's employer, publishers and clients what he's up to.

gridney/ YidwithLid now tells Target #2 to 'leave him alone' and 'let [his wife] heal' (hold on, he told Target #2 he didn't love or care about his wife anymore, didn't he??) to pull his closed system of logic around his wife & family so he can continue to smear his Targets and control information.

gridney/ YidwithLid threatens Target #1 - says he will tell her ex-husband, get her kids taken away from her... and that he will go the police (TYPICAL threat!) in an attempt to scare her and shut her up. Eventually he & his wife do go to police with SELECTIVE information to try a pre-emptive strike to paint Target #1 as a harasser and stalker.

CHECK OUT WHAT MAY BE gridney/ YidwithLid's PLAYBOOK!! - CLICK HERE
(similar to ART OF SEDUCTION, found by law enforcement in his cache/ archival traces)


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Classic Online Predator at work here. And there's more ----- stick around!!! gridney/ YidwithLid's cyberpathy gets him in BIGGER TROUBLE......


Reassure victims that they didn't do anything morally wrong, that they are not to blame for what happened to them, and that recovery is possible. - Dr. Mike Fox, Emotional Rape Syndrome

Sunday, June 17, 2007

ONLINE DATING: FOR CONVICTS?

From Lovefraud.com:

“His online personal ad shows him as a clean-cut, athletic man with a friendly face, a sense of humor and a love for the outdoors. Many women would consider him a serious prospect, based on his ad. The problem is, Mike Andes is a convicted murderer …”

A reader recently sent Lovefraud this news story about Prison Personals, produced by KATU in Portland, Oregon. It turns out that thousands of convicts are looking for love online.

Prisoners generally do not have access to the Internet. But apparently friends and family members can provide information to websites such as WriteAPrisoner.com, which then posts ads. Anyone who wants to respond to an ad—offering a gesture of friendship to someone behind bars—must send a reply via snail mail. According to KATU, the letters are flowing in.

READ THE REST OF THIS GREAT POST BY CLICKING HERE

Saturday, June 16, 2007

TWO SEX CONVICTIONS IN ONLINE DATING CASE

(Philadelphia, PA) A man who told dates he met online tall tales of being a doctor, an astronaut and a CIA assassin was convicted Wednesday of two counts of sexual assault but acquitted of raping several women who accused him of drugging them.

Seven women, six of whom Jeffrey J. Marsalis met through the Match.com dating service, told similar stories of blacking out or becoming unusually intoxicated during dates from 2003 to 2005.

The jury reached its verdict on the fifth day of deliberations that were so contentious jurors were overheard shouting at each other earlier in the week. He was acquitted of eight rape counts and a count of impersonating a public servant.

Marsalis could get up to 20 years in prison for the two sexual assault counts at sentencing, set for Sept. 18.
"We're pleased that the jury recognized that Mr. Marsalis is not the wrongly
accused man he claimed to be," prosecutor Joseph Khan said. "He is a criminal. He is a sex offender."
The jury could not reach a verdict on one rape count. Prosecutors had not decided whether to seek a second trial on that charge.

Prosecutors said Marsalis, 34, of Philadelphia, was a smooth talker with a tony address and a penchant for chic bars and restaurants. The on-and-off nursing student spun tales about being a doctor, an astronaut or a secret agent.

The women, most of them well-educated professionals, gave authorities similar accounts of meeting Marsalis and then feeling unusually intoxicated after returning from the bathroom or letting him buy a round of drinks from the bar. They testified they woke up hours later at his apartment — groggy, sometimes undressed — after an apparent sexual encounter or even amid intercourse.

Marsalis' lawyer said the women were suffering from "buyer's remorse" after being duped about his accomplishments and dumped after consensual sex. Defense attorney Kathleen E. Martin said none of the victims went to police or a hospital afterward and were only sought out by police as part of an earlier case against Marsalis. (typical "scorned women" defense used by cyberpaths)

Marsalis was acquitted of three similar assaults in January 2006 and immediately charged in the latest cases. Another rape charge is pending against him in Sun Valley, Idaho.

Records show Marsalis has moved frequently, having lived in Park City, Utah; the Phoenix area, where he worked as a paramedic; a Seattle suburb; and South Florida.

ORIGINAL POST HERE

Hat Tip to EOPC Group Member "MaryAnn" for this story

Friday, June 15, 2007

Dunetz/ YidwithLid: Open Mouth - Insert Keyboard!

Original posting of this Expose: February 2005

When caught by Targets #1 and #2 - as we said before Dunetz/ YidwithLid - like most cyberpaths - tried to SMOOTH it out. How? by lying, trying to bend time and rewriting history!


Online predators hope you haven't talked to anyone (or they make sure no one speaks to you by smearing you) or kept track - so that the cognitive dissonance they have planted in your brain can be reworked to make THEM the victim of circumstances.

Unfortunately Dunetz/ YidwithLid underestimated his Targets. And still does.


In this conversation he appealed to Target #1s dearest friend - whom they both knew. We will refer to this third woman as Friend of Target #1 or 'FOT1.' Target #1 had told FOT1 about her online relationship with Dunetz/ YidwithLid in the 2 years previous (btw, Yidwithlid tried to get this friend of Target #1s to play online sex games with him TOO! That makes THREE (3) of her friends he tried to prey on)

Target #1 - I had to tell someone. It was chewing me up inside.

FOT1 asked me to introduce them and I did. She wanted to see how sincere he was - since like a true friend, she is very protective of me - but gridney/ YidwithLid fooled her too.... until we also caught him in his lies.

FOT1 also told us that Dunetz/ YidwithLid tried to have cybersex with her a couple times but she shut him down. He also accused FOT1 & Target #1 of "sexually taunting him" online. It was the other way around, of course.

Find out a narcissist's depiction of you. You get hints of the picture they have of you in what they say and how they treat and react to you. Be prepared for a stupefying shock. Find out how the narcissist depicts you to others. I guarantee that you won't recognize yourself. The narcissist's depiction of you bears no resemblance to reality.

He just makes it up according to his whim and fancy as he goes along. And, being the author of this work of fiction, he can change it overnight. Which explains why you often see a narcissist's opinion of someone go upside-down overnight. That's what an editor's pen can do to a work of fiction.

Narcissists' cavalier attitude in doing this is breathtaking.

Callous is what callous does.

ORIGINAL


Dunetz/ YidwithLid (like all cyberpaths) tries to rewrite history and tell absolute stone cold lies to FOT1 to try to discredit Target #1 some more, not realizing Target #1 already told FOT1 everything; and even introduced FOT1 online to Target #2 hours before.

FOT1 plays dumb to see what Yidwithlid will try to tell her (get out your hipboots - the 'poor me' doo-doo gets pretty deep here)


Watch as Dunetz/ YidwithLid, like a typical predator - starts playing around with the parsing he will probably practice over & over until he comes to a consensus as to what to tell to his wife and friends about all these poor Victims for years to come!! (our comments in DARK BLUE):


FOT1: hey gridney/ YidwithLid

gridney/ YidwithLid: I am an ass

FOT1: well, ok

FOT1: what makes you say that???

gridney/ YidwithLid: Its a long story

FOT1: do tell

gridney/ YidwithLid: ok

gridney/ YidwithLid: I met someone online that I really care about

gridney/ YidwithLid: it happened after that nite

(LIE. According to chats we reviewed gridney/ YidwithLid started LOVE BOMBING Target #2 in mid- January 2004.'

The night' gridney/ YidwithLid got so upset [see below] and told Target #1 she was 'just about sex and always had been' was February 20, 2004 according to the chat logs.

So -- he was already involved with Targets #1 AND #2 at the same time. No separation. In fact, LARGE overlap! THIS IS WHY ITS SO IMPORTANT TO SAVE CHATS WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING ON and TELL SOMEONE so they can validate what is going on!!)

gridney/ YidwithLid: well you know when I got upset that night
(one night Target #1 and FOT1 and gridney/ YidwithLid were online chatting - the three of them got to joking around about sex and gridney/ YidwithLid got so 'upset' he left.

In reality -- he left to go have cybersex with Target #2.


When Target #1 asked him what was wrong - he BLAMED her & FOT1 for 'torturing him.' Dunetz/ YidwithLid even went so far as to tell Target #2 that FOT1 & Target#1 purposely TOYED with him - in order to further win Target #2s sympathy and turn her against Target #1... for cyberpath insurance)

FOT1: right

FOT1: hey

FOT1: remind me again why you got upset? I was never really clear on that

gridney/ YidwithLid: because honestly I felt that I was being toyed with.
(LIE - he just couldn't do sex chat with 2 different windows open at once)


gridney/ YidwithLid: anyway..Target #1 and I stayed online that night

gridney/ YidwithLid: very late
(FOT1 KNOWS that gridney/ YidwithLid only spoke to Target #1 briefly and gridney/ YidwithLid said the following (paraphrased & confirmed): " The truth is the reason I will never sleep with you is that for me it would be JUST about sex and it would mess you up too much!" after which gridney/ YidwithLid coldly blocked Target #1.
)

The whole chat between gridney/ YidwithLid and Target #1 lasted about 15 minutes not 'till 3am' as gridney/ YidwithLid tried to say. FOT1 confirmed that she knew it too because Target #1 and FOT1 talked together until LATE THAT EVENING about gridney/ YidwithLid's bizarre behavior towards them online! So he's blatantly lying trying to play martyr.

gridney/ YidwithLid had just blown off Target #1 with a malicious comment and no real talk or explanation... of course the comment was finally an honest one - it was ALWAYS JUST ABOUT SEX WITH HER! Target #1 was stunned and sick. Remember she'd been defending him and taking abuse because of him!

[Note here readers: According to chat records - 2 days after gridney/ YidwithLid's outburst of honesty when he told Target #1 it was 'just about sex' for him - he PROFUSELY apologized, said he'd 'forgotten to take his antidepressants' and 'didn't know what came over' him - in order to reel Target #1 back in.

In the SAME chat he said he was going away on business for a week and would be BUSY. Target #1 said he was online quite a bit that week and didn't even have the decency to block her so Target #1 saw him online much of the time he was away.

Target #2 confirmed he was having non-stop cybersex while out of town, with her.

So gridney/ YidwithLid was 'working.' Guess who he was WORKING on and cybersex-bombing that whole week? Yes... Target #2!]

Target #1 had been devalued and was going to be drop kicked ASAP. Yes, even the "friendship" with Dunetz/ YidwithLid she held so dear was going to get disposed of because gridney/ YidwithLid was BORED with her and didn't feel like dealing with the abusive ex-husband in the picture. Despite the fact gridney/ YidwithLid started the relationship and the abuse was BECAUSE of Dunetz/ YidwithLid.

gridney/ YidwithLid who professed to be so caring - could have cared less!)


FOT1: well you should have said something to us

FOT1: we always joke around like that

gridney/ YidwithLid: I did

gridney/ YidwithLid: 'to target #1 (no he didn't)

gridney/ YidwithLid: then I went away

FOT1: right

gridney/ YidwithLid: and then when I got back I pulled away from target #1

gridney/ YidwithLid: I had to it was making me crazy
(its TARGET #1's fault he's a sex addict?)


FOT1: what was making you crazy?

gridney/ YidwithLid: tension

gridney/ YidwithLid: we both wanted to sleep with each other but knew it could never happen (BALONEY! another lie! Target #1 turned him down flat!)

gridney/ YidwithLid: we talked about it till like 3 in the morning
(complete LIE - Target #1 was so upset by gridney/ YidwithLid that evening - she & FOT1 spoke for hours by phone the same evening. Phone records confirm this. BOTH were totally mystified about why gridney/ YidwithLid got so upset! - see above.


Now they know - gridney/ YidwithLid can't manipulate too many targets AT THE SAME TIME)

gridney/ YidwithLid: anyway I started talking to someone online and we got very close
(he was already talking to her. He'd already TARGETED the next woman Target #1 unwittingly introduced to him, using Target #1s kind words about him as his calling card!)


gridney/ YidwithLid: I was even making a buisness trip to go meet her
(MAKING a business trip? just to see a target and get laid... or do business? If its the former, and it was!... that's fraud. Online predators will use anything to get what they want.


REMEMBER - gridney/ YidwithLid had been unemployed and was desperately job hunting when he first started with Target #1 two years prior. Now gridney/ YidwithLid has a job and he admits he's using job resources for cybersex, phone sex and to plan an affair. Unfortunately -- his boss forgave him or looked the other way.)

gridney/ YidwithLid: Well yesterday her and Target #1 talked and now they are both so hurt

FOT1: hang on - but you practically had to be coaxed out with a handful of sugar cubes to go meet Target #1 for LUNCH! (see bottom of this post for Target #1s comments about that one lunch with gridney/ YidwithLid)

gridney/ YidwithLid: no

gridney/ YidwithLid: I was supposed to see her next week

FOT1: Yes, for the second time in 2 years

gridney/ YidwithLid: because I could deal with it now
(poor gridney/ YidwithLid huh? deal with WHAT?? What about that 'tension'?
notice him dangling the prospect of a 'real friendship' with Target #1 now.
A promise he never had any intention of keeping.
Or because he had a new target? We think the latter.)


gridney/ YidwithLid: now you know the reason I felt I couldn't

gridney/ YidwithLid: and now I have hurt her

gridney/ YidwithLid: now I have hurt Target #2

gridney/ YidwithLid: and most importantly I have lost her as a friend
(which one gridney/ YidwithLid? Online predators have no real friends - only prey. Who treats a FRIEND the way you treated both targets!)


gridney/ YidwithLid: I have been throwing up all morning (sympathy ploy)

FOT 1: DESTROYED her, gridney/ YidwithLid. The word is DESTROYED. You have no idea the amount of abuse she puts up with in your name on a daily basis for something she never even did!

gridney/ YidwithLid: thats why I was reluctent to see her to make it worse and I have anyway
(no he was a coward and playing games - notice how like a typical predator he paints himself as chivalrous & thoughtful)

gridney/ YidwithLid: I cant throw up anymore

FOT1: so don't throw up

gridney/ YidwithLid: Im so nauseous
(boo hoo... notice how gridney/ YidwithLid talks about HIMSELF now for the most part and not a word or thought as to what his targets must be thinking & feeling. Revealing himself as at least a destructive narcissist)


FOT1: so what are you going to do then?

gridney/ YidwithLid: I dont know

gridney/ YidwithLid: FOT1 -- I do love target #1 and dont want to lose her out of my life

gridney/ YidwithLid: I dont know what to do
(sympathy ploy again - looking to involve Target #1's good friend in bailing him out)


gridney/ YidwithLid: except throw up

FOT1: you love her?

gridney/ YidwithLid: yes but not in a romantic sense anymore. It started going away that night
(what? how does love and honest emotion "START going away"?


gridney/ YidwithLid again is BLAMING Target #1 for HIS immature emotional state and the fact that he never had any feelings towards her. The whole relationship was a set up from day one on his part. A set up towards a woman he'd known almost 30 YEARS! and her friends! Shameless

This is the SAME guy who told Target #1 he "couldn't feel" emotion and then that he "couldn't control. REMEMBER? )

FOT1: so you did love her in a romantic sense at one point?

gridney/ YidwithLid: yes

FOT1: did you ever tell hr?

gridney/ YidwithLid: no

gridney/ YidwithLid: not exactly

FOT1: well gridney/ YidwithLid you either tell someone you love them or you don't
(FOT1 knows that gridney/ YidwithLid has now been LOVE BOMBING Target #2 - telling her he loved her and she was his soulmate; a women he'd never even MET IN PERSON... but doesn't reveal that to gridney/ YidwithLid yet)


gridney/ YidwithLid: no I didnt
(of course he didn't - gridney/ YidwithLid dangled it to keep Target #1 in his web of deception and pain so he could continue to inflict emotional torture on her and use her online for sexual gratification and kicks)

gridney/ YidwithLid: but eveytime we tried to stop we couldnt
(wait! gridney/ YidwithLid initiated the relationships with BOTH targets!
Didn't Target #1 try a number of times to stop it & leave and gridney/ YidwithLid kept reeling her back in??
And from confirmed unaltered chat histories we read - gridney/ YidwithLid initiated 99% of the cybersex with Target #1. Cyberpath - BLAME Shifting (ie 'its not MY fault!))


gridney/ YidwithLid: but I forced myself

FOT1: you forced yourself?

FOT1: Or you found it easier because you had someone else to play with?

gridney/ YidwithLid: no because that happened almost two month before I met Target #2
(this is a complete lie - he and Target #1 had cybersex, initiated by him, just a couple weeks before this conversation - confirmed by EOPC.

gridney/ YidwithLid just ignores FOT1's brilliant comment above - which, if you read it again, was right on the money!)

FOT1: how did you meet her?

gridney/ YidwithLid: she commented on one off my articles so I sent her a thank you
(another COMPLETE lie - Target #1 introduced them, remember?
gridney/ YidwithLid
is practicing his 'story' and 'historical juggling' already.
Target #2 said Yid BEGGED her to open up IM with him! Cyberpaths always practice their stories to edit for believability)


gridney/ YidwithLid: and she email back
(Blame- Shifting again. The truth was gridney/ YidwithLid INITIATED the relationship with Target #2 also)


FOT1: you send thank yous to everyone who comments?
(even the MEN? And we know he COLLECTS email addresses from his site)


gridney/ YidwithLid: yes

gridney/ YidwithLid: I do

gridney/ YidwithLid: read the bottom of one of my articles

gridney/ YidwithLid: it says right there

FOT 1: k

gridney/ YidwithLid: He reads and responds to all of his mail, so comment by here

FOT1: oh, yeah, of course I remember now

gridney/ YidwithLid: and then we started emailing
(WE? Who initiated? Guess!)


gridney/ YidwithLid: and iming

gridney/ YidwithLid: and one thing led to another
(gridney/ YidwithLid purposely seduced Target #2 also, he means.
gridney/ YidwithLid
is one horny guy with a keyboard, huh?
Does he just initiate cybersex with every female he knows online who isn't a family member? Looks like it! Misogynist.)


FOT1: gridney/ YidwithLid you do know Target #1 loved you, and that for her love is something she tries to avoid because it has only ever brought her pain

gridney/ YidwithLid: until we had a big fight yesterday
(gridney/ YidwithLid pays NO attention to what FOT1 just said, too busy thinking of plausible lies.
Additionally - There was no fight with Target #2 according to her; other than Yidwithlid not wanting to answer a direct question and getting offline fast!)

gridney/ YidwithLid: I had a big fight with her yesterday because.. she didnt want me to be friends with target #1
(another complete lie - it was gridney/ YidwithLid who didn't want Targets #1 and #2 to be friends. Classic Cyberpath move - reverse or split the truth and keep targets apart at all costs!)

gridney/ YidwithLid: and the rest as we say is history
(glibness and stock-phrase .... inappropriate considering the seriousness of what's happening)


FOT1: how does she know Target #1?

gridney/ YidwithLid: they met on a newsgroup (another LIE)

FOT1: oh, right

gridney/ YidwithLid: thats how she got to read mystuff
(No, another lie...Target #1 SENT gridney/ YidwithLid's writing to Target #2 & asked her help in getting it circulated... remember? He owes Target #1 some big thanks but no way will he thank her. More gridney/ YidwithLid twisting reality)


gridney/ YidwithLid: I asked target #1 if I could call her and she is ignoring me

FOT1: well from the sound of it that's not surprising

gridney/ YidwithLid: she told target #2 that I said bad things about her which is not true
(yet ANOTHER lie for sympathy - sounds kind of high school/immature too.)


And just guess what has gridney/ YidwithLid been saying about Target #1 and FOT1 to Target #2)

FOT1: why would she lie

gridney/ YidwithLid: I never said anything cause I knew it would hurt her
(no gridney/ YidwithLid, you never said anything because you liked lying and dishonesty and toying with your targets.


Again - notice gridney/ YidwithLid TOTALLY avoids FOT1's comment that her friend isn't the type to lie or a liar. gridney/ YidwithLid just keeps pushing his story)

gridney/ YidwithLid: I swear
(anyone who has to SWEAR they are telling the truth ...... is hiding something)


FOT1: Target #1 doesn't lie
(Targets #1 and #2 have no motive to lie! Only gridney/ YidwithLid does...


REMEMBER that when dealing with Online Predators - remember WHO has reason to be lying.... you or them?)

gridney/ YidwithLid: I never discussed Target #2 with Target #1
(of COURSE he didn't - he was playing a game called
Triangulation)

gridney/ YidwithLid: On my life
(what life would that be?)


gridney/ YidwithLid: gtg

~~~~~
gridney/ YidwithLid: Target #1 wouldnt pic up her mobile
(gridney/ YidwithLid was frantically trying to call Target #1 now.... to try to anchor more lies)


FOT1: well I did say to leave a message. She's a busy woman

gridney/ YidwithLid: I dont know

FOT1: you know how it is... kids and all, also she's ill, remember

gridney/ YidwithLid: Her vioce mail didnt pic up

gridney/ YidwithLid: I dont htink

gridney/ YidwithLid: I ddint hear a beeb

gridney/ YidwithLid: but Italked anyway

FOT1: what'd you say?

gridney/ YidwithLid: I said that I didnt want to loseher from my life that she was too important and could we talk
(gridney/ YidwithLid later left that same 'canned comment' on BOTH Target #1 and Target #2s home numbers - showing it was planned and calculated.)


BTW readers, if Target#1 was so "important" wouldn't gridney/ YidwithLid have shown more consideration or introduced Target #1 to his family as she requested in the first place or had lunch with her right away - 2 years back?
What was truly important was that he SHUT UP EVERYONE as FAST as he could & told his wife & family a spun story to protect himself.


No! Yidwithlid decided to use & abuse Target #1 from day one. He looked her up for sex. Period.

Keeping her a secret and using her woundedness and old feelings for him to lead her into a sick relationship that he could twist her anyway he wanted and keep her online as an object and out of his real life. User.)


What was actually important was that his LIES be considered TRUTH before either target found out more.


FOT1: gridney/ YidwithLid she's been awake for 30 hours

FOT1: she's distraught

FOT1: Jeff

FOT1: you've utterly destroyed any trust she had in you

FOT1: you've made her feel used

gridney/ YidwithLid: I know (no you don't you couldn't POSSIBLY!)

gridney/ YidwithLid: but I wasnt

gridney/ YidwithLid: I swear
(again with the 'I swear' - protesting their innocence - like Brad Dorsky, Nathan E.B. Thomas, Ed Hicks, Doug Beckstead and so on...
Deny Deny Deny.)

FOT1: you weren't what?


FOT1: using her?


gridney/ YidwithLid: we were supposed to meet next week


FOT1: so?


gridney/ YidwithLid: I asked her to keep the lucnh


gridney/ YidwithLid: so w can talk


FOT1: you know, if I were her I wouldn't want to talk to you


FOT1: I would feel very used and betrayed


gridney/ YidwithLid: I know

(no gridney/ YidwithLid you wouldn't know - he's too busy trying to dig himself out of the pit he's gotten himself in.
Both targets were deeply traumatized... Target #2 was enraged, as you will find out )


FOT1: you were using her, weren't you

gridney/ YidwithLid: no

gridney/ YidwithLid: I wasnt (yes you were. from the get-go!)

FOT1: well; what else do you call cybersex with her, and then another woman, with no intention of anything else?

gridney/ YidwithLid: I told you how it happedn and they were sepreated by time
(again trying to sell his LIE about times & dates. gridney/ YidwithLid is going to stick to this story now that he's decided on it.
Just like Charles "Ed" Hicks, Doug Beckstead and Dan Jacoby)


gridney/ YidwithLid: and there was an intention
(gridney/ Yidwithlid - you are supposedly in sales so you should know better! you never give a "buy" indication with no intention of really BUYING. You NEVER seduce & use a vulnerable woman and then just leave her hanging... especially one you've known all those years!! This was a PERSON not a THING!)


FOT1: what did you intend?
(reminder: she's asking about HER FRIEND Target #1 - and now check gridney/ YidwithLid's SELFISH predatory response:)


gridney/ YidwithLid: I had set up a trip to see Target #2
( FOT1 meant HER FRIEND - what was gridney/ YidwithLid's intention with her friend -Target #1! He's still thinking he can get some free sex out of this somewhere!

The person gridney/ YidwithLid had been toying with for 2 years?... stupid gridney/ YidwithLid just jammed his foot into his mouth even further! - FOT1 now loses her cool....)


FOT1: I meant MY friend,Target #1! Not your newest girlfriend, Target #2.

You've been lying and toying with Target #1 for 2 years with no intention other than to twist her into knots and using her! So, what do you expect after what you've done to my best friend? Lied about ME, too. I tell you what, Dunetz, you best be sh*tting yourself. You ********. And you call yourself a spiritual man. I think not. All you think about is your **** and I wish you everything you deserve. What a filthy lying s**tbag you are.

_____________________

After this FOT1 revealed to Target #1 that gridney/ YidwithLid had tried a few times to initiate cybersex with her but she blew him right off.
He did the same to Target #1s friend K**** after getting her off Target #1's Buddy list!
gridney/ YidwithLid when confronted said he was 'only kidding.' (Cyberpaths ALWAYS minimize or justify their behavior)


FOT1 knew for 2 years about Target#1 and gridney/ YidwithLid's 'relationship.' She had NO INTENTION of being gridney/ YidwithLid's next victim and didn't want to hurt Target #1 in case she was WRONG about him. Online Predators make everyone second guess themselves!

Target #2 told us that gridney/ YidwithLid had reported to her that FOT1 & Target #1 liked to "taunt him sexually" online and make him "feel bad." So of course, Target #2 (who was in love with gridney/ YidwithLid) - hated FOT1 & Target #1 for doing this to him. Exactly what gridney/ YidwithLid the predator wanted.

Notice how gridney/ YidwithLid sowed hatred amongst these women to attempt make sure they didn't compare his stories & to protect HIMSELF! (Target #2's statement to us bears out that gridney/ YidwithLid told her untrue stories about the other two women)

By the way - FOT1? Is young enough to be gridney/ YidwithLid's daughter! Cyberpaths who are sexual addicts have NO BOUNDARIES and no shame.

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Target #1: "I finally told gridney/ YidwithLid in August 2003 - 'lunch or let's just stop chatting - this is getting ridiculous' and I told him 'things have to change.' I gave him a chance to get out, figuring he'd lost interest.

But no.... he got back to me the next day with a date and time to 'have lunch' - 3 weeks from my ultimatum.


It didn't go well. gridney/ YidwithLid was stand-offish and didn't look me in the eye. The conversation revolved around pleasantries with ZERO acknowledgement of what had passed between us. He positioned us at a table where he could sit FAR away from me.

Besides the remoteness and stinging reserve, the most disturbing thing he did was upon leaving. There was a short flight of stairs to negotiate. I gingerly walked by the wall so I could steady myself. Due to my disability, my legs aren't always reliable. Rather than stepping in and helping me, like most normal people do, he stood at the bottom of the stairs and backed away like I was a monster. He should have just called me ugly, pathetic or something - it would have been more honest. I cried in the car on the way home.
The question that gave us the best picture of the psychopath in action was “How did he act when you were ill?” Illness implies vulnerability which is a perfect time for a psychopath to take advantage of someone.

Since psychopaths get bored easily and being ill is fairly boring, it is easy to anticipate that a psychopath would be “challenged” to be consistently helpful in illness. Couple the sense of being bored with a lack of empathy, compassion, and very low cooperation and you can pretty much guarantee she’ll have to take care of herself if she gets sick.

He either got bored with helping or he only helped when others were around watching. The overwhelming majority of the psychopaths didn’t give care when someone needed it. In fact many of the psychopaths ignored serious and life threatening illnesses in their mates. Here are some of the typical answers:

“He doesn’t show empathy or any kind of support.”

“He didn’t offer to help me get better. He would call and feign sympathy. But all he really wanted to find out was if I was well enough to come over so he could use me for sex.”
"Tension? Couldn't control? Making him crazy? dunetz/ YidwithLid could 'handle it now"? What does this sound like to you, readers? - Fighter

And true to Dunetz/ YidwithLid's programming of me and my belief I could 'help' him, I became part of the pattern again, even after this lunch that demonstrated his true and malignant character.


This gets more twisted - come back for more this month!

There are two other significant features of emotional rape, the first being sudden reversal. The second characteristic is that victims feel extremely "used" and fear they will never be able to love or trust again. - Dr. Mike Fox